Would you feel better about amnesty for illegals if they were willing to serve in our armed forces...?

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Shawty1isback	For a few of you up here in RE: to your comments about how "they're criminals" ... should I remind you that YOUR ancestors took this land away from the people who were already here (I don't like the word "native american".... LOL ..... you think every immigrant who came to the US was legal ? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH! With all those health screenings they had to go through, I bet most people were rejected on the spot! Yet they found "another" way of getting in. There is an ugly history of white supremacy in the form of racist immigration laws and laws that were meant to terrorize us, the Nican Tlaca (Indigenous people) of this continent. When we speak of our continent, we speak of it without the European colonial boundaries that separate our people. You people of European descent who are racists have to get a grip of reality and stop this "illegal immigrants" nonsense now. Educate yourselves out of the mainstream media and outside of what you learned in high school. You should look into the reality of illegal European immigration onto our continent that has been going on since 1492 and look into your sense of justice, sense of truth, sense of logic, or even your own Judeo-Christian ethics to see how wrong you are in your attack on the people of Mexico and "Central America" that have migrated into the United States. Look at the faces of these so-called "illegals" and you will see Nican Tlaca (falsely called "Indian") faces. These are not European faces. These are the faces of the true owners of this continent, the people whose land you are occupying. You cannot corral us into areas that you "border off" so that we cannot migrate on our own lands, on our own continent. By any culture's standards, that is wrong. The only real illegals on this continent are the Europeans who forced themselves onto our continent with violence, lies, slavery, genocide, and countless other crimes. If you really are ethical-moral Judeo-Christian people, look at your history on our continent before you pass more white supremacist laws or before you call any of our people "illegal" The racist laws listed below are just the worst of the worst laws passed by the white supremacist congresses of the United States over the last two hundred years. Keep in mind that these were laws passed by people of European descent who entered our continent illegally. They, Europeans, invaded our continent beginning in 1492 with the Spaniard illegal immigration in the Caribbean and continued with the English illegal immigration in 1607 Jamestown. Throughout all of the centuries of illegal European immigration, squatters on our lands, and the thefts of our land and its wealth, Europeans have savagely killed 70 to 100 million (95%) of our people in the whole "Western Hemisphere" ("North and South America") through a series of terrorist acts of violence, spreading smallpox as a means of genocide, and the destruction of our civilizations (yes we had cities and civilizations!). TO THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS WHO DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD CITIES LARGER THAN EUROPE AND THAT EUROPEANS KILLED THE MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE, WE SAY: YES 70 to 100 million of our people were killed by your European ancestors! Look it up in the book written by a white man: American Holocaust by David Stannard. There are plenty of books documenting this. And don't say that it was so long ago, and tell us to get over it, to forget about it. Then you forget about Romans and Greeks, forget about Jesus and George Washington, forget about 911 (our people were killed there too). Tell the Jewish people to forget about the Holocaust. But you won't dare do that, so don't tell us to forget about our Holocaust that killed 95% of our population and stole 100% of our continent that is now called North and South America. And remember that Mexico, "Central America" and "South America" are still controlled by whites (European descent people). And don't tell us to go back where we came from, this whole continent is where we came from, Europeans came from Europe, so if you want to disrespect us, you should go back where you came from and take your white supremacy there. Illegal European immigrants placed their illegal borders on our land with the point of a gun and other acts of terrorism. And now they tell us that we cannot migrate from one part of our continent to another part. That would be something like, if Australia had been colonized by the English, French, and Dutch and had been divided by them, and the Australian aboriginal people could not travel from the Dutch to the French part or from the English to the Dutch part of their own land. That is criminal, immoral, and an injustice. To say nothing of the immorality of the whole concept of colonialism. But that is what white people are doing to us. They are not only stealing our lands and resources, they are not allowing us to migrate from one part of our continent to another. That sounds like the apartheid Pass System of South Africa or the Israeli apartheid system that limits Palestinian people from traveling from one part of their land to another part of their land. It's all racism! It's all an injustice. LET'S ALL TALK TRUTH AND JUSTICE! STOP THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS OF THE MEDIA (CNN, FOX, KABC Radio, and all of the other racists who are exploiting ignorance and promoting hate)! 1790 WHITES ONLY IMMIGRATION--Free white person law. This law set the pattern for racist immigration laws into what had been declared the new nation of "the United States of America". This was a nation founded on stolen land, genocide of 95% of the Nican Tlaca (Indigenous people), ethnic cleansing, broken treaties, lies, massacres, kidnapping African for the purpose of enslaving them to do work that they were too lazy to do themselves. White supremacy made a strong statement with this law. Indian Removal Act of 1830 This law was the white supremacist work of Andrew Jackson (the guy honored on the 20 dollar bill). This was ethnic cleansing of the worst sort (Trail of Tears). It stole land from Nican Tlaca (Indigenous people) and forced them to migrate to the west side of the Mississippi river. Our people were promised that they would be given land there that would forever be theirs. That was one of thousands of broken treaties and thousands of lies told by Europeans. Chinese Exclusion Act 1882 Law kept chinese out of US This law specifically excluded Chinese from immigrating into the U.S. The intent was to keep out a non-white race that had grown in numbers during the building of the railroads in the West. The Chinese had proven themselves to be hard workers and good business people. This appeared to be too much competition for European-Americans who were used to having affirmative action protect them in their business practices. This law was blatant white supremacy. National Origins Quota 1924 Law favored perople of Nordic origin This law favored British and Nordic descent people over Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans. The congress of 1924 made this law in order to assure that the United States would remain a majority Nordic descent nation. This was meant to keep out Italians, Eastern Europeans, and Jews from entering the United States in large numbers. This law in effect was what kept Jews from entering the United States when they were fleeing the Nazi persecutions of Hitler's armies of occupation. This law passed not that long ago. This was a racist law in context of internal European racism. This law is the background to a lot of the racist legislation being introduced in the last few months. Notice that in the current talk of "illegals" there is no concern for the "illegal" white Canadians or illegal Europeans who truly are taking American jobs, jobs that pay over S50,000. They are not here to work in fields or to clean office buildings. Mexican Repatriation-1930's-Depoprting US Citizens This was not a law, it was an racist "enforcement of immigration laws" that affected U.S. citizens of Mexican descent. This so-called "Mexican Repatriation" was a forced migration of over 500,000 people of Mexican descent from 1931 through 1934. But, there had been others who were "Repatriated" in the 20's. One third of the Mexican descent population of the United States was summarily deported-repatriated to Mexico. 60% of those deported were children who were U.S. citizens. Many who were not repatriated left on their own because of the white supremacist climate that had been generated by the government and the media. This is the type of terrorism and racism that white supremacists want to happen with the current attempts to terrorize our people. Again the issue is truly about race and the history of Europeans illegally taking this continent. SEE LINK for more details: Bracero Progam-Work here but don't stay here. The Bracero Program in and of itself is racist, in that it acknowledges the need for the labor but refused to allow the needed labor to migrate as a permanent population. If these were European workers, we know that they would have been allowed to permanently enter the U.S. and to be like the millions of Europeans who entered as part of the needed labor force of the eighteenth and early 20th century. This was a law meant to keep out non-whites and to not allow Mexicans to re-enter land that was stolen from them by the United States in an unfair war of imperialist greed: The Mexican American war of 1846-48. But it was a law to "Keep America White" and to "Keep those Mexican Indians out of our country". This was the most blatant of all the blatant white supremacist immigration laws ever passed in the last two hundred years. So when people want to say that this is not about race, remind them of the Bracero Program. Im actually far more educated than many of you who have lived here your whole life. You should not be speaking of "grammar" and spelling because you hate terrible writing yourself. Does it bother you that an "immigrant" knows more about your country's history than those people who have actually lived here all their life? I don't know what type of "hardship" you've been through because of illegal immigration ... did you have to compete for a below-minimum wage job at a sweatshop? When you have to compete against an "uneducated" illegal who does not speak a word of english.HOW SAD IS YOUR LIFE? Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Butterfly	This is alredy done. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Skip G	yes, they should get citizenship Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Mindbender	Absolutely not. In fact, I'd be afraid to turn my back or go to sleep. Look at the number of U.S. soldiers who have been killed by friendly fire. Would you give the enemy a loaded gun? Would you give a criminal a loaded gun? When people come to the country illegally, they have demonstrated nothing but pure contempt for our laws and they have been willing to sacrifice the lives of their children and their families to continue breaking our laws. How could anyone trust people who would steal identities, who would cross the border illegally and then would do all manner of law-breaking to continue to live in this country? No, I wouldn't want them serving with me or my children. Furthermore, I don't want my children going to school with or associating with children of illegal immigrants because just as Saul Arellano has proven, children learn what they live and he has learned lawbreaking and protesting and doing things improperly instead of learning to be a good citizen. I don't want to work with them and I don't want them handling my food because reports on the news shows they don't even care about good hygiene. They ejaculate in food, spit in it and don't even wash their hands. And before you get all up in arms--Yes we have criminals who are U.S. Citizens, too, but we have the authority to punish these people when they're caught. The illegal immigrants get away with deportation and they are free to continue their illegal acts or even turn right around and come back to "kill" or commit more crimes. No, I don't trust them to be in our armed forces. We'd never know which ones are fighting with us and which ones are shooting our soldiers or relaying our positions to the enemy. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Mister Sunshine	I'm all for it. I say make EVERY immigrant serve for four years in some capacity. Maybe not the military, but there are plenty of other public works that need doing, like building roads and bridges, maintaining the parks, and all that stuff. Plus, if we were to mobilize all these people to do public works, you'd need support staff like cooks, babysitters and the like. Basically, how we built the Hoover Dam and other major projects like that -- it wasn't a 9-to-5 day job, they were building communities for the workers on the spot. It also has the added benefit of direct supervision to ensure assimilation into our culture. Fail assimilation, get deported just like if you fail to do the rest of your job. Ideal situation: Jose and Maria decide to immigrate with their kids. Jose goes to work on a road crew, while Maria becomes a cook for the same crew or one nearby. Their kids are taken care of during the day by a couple of other immigrants who serve by providing child care. After they put in their time, they're legal citizens and they can find someone else to work for. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

CW	NO!! We've already go enough non-english speaking people in the military; not to mention thugs & gangsters; the last thing we need is a bunch more. HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE: IF YOU'RE NOT HERE LEGALLY, PACK YOU CRAP AND GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!! IF YOU WANT A BETTER LIFE FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THERE; NOT HERE!! I'M SICK AND TIRED OF MY TAX DOLLARS GOING TO SUPPORT YOU; EITHER IN PRISON OR SUCKING OFF WELFARE. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

ticoguana	you are wrong!the usa will bring the legal documents to them( i have relatives and friends waiting for),let me tell you that one of the biggest mistake that people like you have is to write without knowledge or research about it, i will help you,check the actual economic statistics,check what is going on in the latino countries with the free trade agreements,go to tico times.com a newspaper from costa rica(only one country) and read the true about the usa politic outside specially in america,money run this nation,and right now the countries of the most of the illegals are acting about that,do you know that iran is operating in nicaragua and the leftists plus the guerrilla are closing the market of the usa in the area,all those topics are important for your politicians and the usa,the politicians know that they ought to make a smart movement otherwise in a few years,they will have your enemies operating in all the countries of american continent,this nation like all the nations do not survive by itself.i agreed about homeland security but not about racism and abuse,outside the people are looking the usa authorities like bullies, abusing on the humble people instead of to catch the real terrorists,the image close doors,that is happening now.this is not protetionism, it is panic in masses like you are acting. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Jazmin	First of all they are not criminals. Second of all they do not take you tax money.by the way you should thank them because by the time you retire the only reason there is gonna be money in SS is because of all the money that this people didn't claim at the end of the year . Sure send them to Iraq so they can get killed like all the other young people. If you are gonna talk about politics get a little more educated in it!! Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

☆ M ☆	some of them already do. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

unrattled_snake	Why would I give an enemy of the United States a high-powered weapon? Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

anne 1	.No, no way, no how, should we allow those who broke our laws no matter how well meaning should we let illegals fight our battles for us. Do we want to a country that depends on foreigners to fight our wars for us, what does it say about us that we not only look the other way when we let illegals do our dirty work but die for us to, I think we had that back in the beginning of our country, it was called indentured servants. Then there is the problem of what to do with those that come forwarded but are unable to serve, for a variety of reasons, do we then deport them, how fair would that be, so many would enlist knowing that it was the ticket to get amnesty. This would also send a message for more to come, or those here, to think that their amnesty is just one category away Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

aintlifegrand	I could go along with this. They have to do full duty and stay the entire 4 years. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Karma of the Poodle	Yes I do. I look at it this way and it is a long one but here it is.... After the Amensty in 1987, we had an influx of many illegal immigrants racing to be here in time and many did not get picked. Since, they were still coming after the fact the Federal Govt released the application form called a W-7/ITIN or Individual Tax Identification Number form to apply for a valid number when filing taxes. They govt new back then they could not afford a huge search and round up, especially after Desert Storm, so if you can't beat them, TAX them. Thousands were filed and approved over the next 4 yrs and more were applying daily. After 1997- 10 yrs later - there had been over 4 million applications filed with over 3 million approved. Yet many of those in certain states still filed taxes which we have been benefiting from (which I don't understand how Social Security is loosing funds when over a billion dollars just from illegals paying into something they will not be able to draw from) that they will not be able to draw from themselves. Go figure Anyway, as more came, more filed for the ITIN, and were approved. Yet those that have paid taxes and have applied for VISAS and Greencards and even Citizenship more than once I might add, have been denied. Yes, I think you would have a way to find them a little easier if you made the stipulation requirement of military service for Greencard or Citizenship and proof of taxes paid. There would be an age limit and stuff - but there would be a way to work it out. This way, all the money that our federal govt has collected by the illegals would go to that purpose instead of lining their pockets and a portion of their pay would go to education or the community in the state they were previously living or residing when they signed up. Good IDEA! I applaud you for being a realist and not a media sniffer. Good job. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

hot_filipina	You cannot correct a bad act with another bad act. What you are suggesting is beyond their right of choice. It would make the US no different from those who hire illegals for low payment. To use and be used. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

PATRICIA MS	Right on. But not many would volunteer. They come for nothing now. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Al a voter	No, I am against any for of amnesty. The thought of having all those illegals in the armed forced concerns me. Can you imagine a huge number of illegals that would be trained AND armed? I do believe that would make things WORSE. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

人算不如天算	I think this is a great idea. Illegal immigration is a huge problem in this country but all of you people calling individuals whose only crime is crossing the border criminals and speaking of gangsters and thugs as if they should be shot on sight are full of it. We've all broken the law (whether it's speeding, running a stop sign, cheating on your taxes, drinking underage or whatever) and are, therefore, technically criminals. Everyone deserves a second chance and if you take that away, what motivation do people have to improve their behavior? What motivation do other would-be illegals have to work within the confines of the system if they know that the system won't work with them and is easily manipulated to their benefit? It's not an easy problem to solve and blanket amnesty is a horrible idea but we have to do something and committing random acts of violence isn't an option. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

babyquestion24	No. Americans don't get freebies when it comes to breaking the law. So, certainly illegals shouldn't either. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

grann8r	NO - When our border patrol sees someone sneaking across the border, they should shoot first and ask questions later. Farmers shouldn't have to protect their own fields and animals against people sneaking into this country illegally. Farm workers that want to work here should GET A GREEN CARD!!! Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Craig C	No. I can't picture someone who is intentionally breaking the law to get into our country as being the type of person we want in our military. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

regerugged	The military will not accept criminals who are volunteers. Illegals are criminals. When someone breaks the law, he cannot be trusted. Trust and devotion are needed in the military. Your plan is a bad idea. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No

Yo it's Me	I don't like the idea of someone whose first act upon entering the country is committing a crime being in the military. That is my objection to illegal aliens in the first place. The have no regard for U.S. laws and sovereignty. Was this answer helpful to you? Yes / No