
SOUTH BEACH IS FUN BOOGIE
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we have alot of bridges to fix and roads to pave. it will take time. hopefully we will elect a president that can help relieve the darn pressure the idiot has caused.
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Thomas B
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erm it the americans who killin and south iraq wer the brits and others are is actually quite stable it only basra in smeg up or this method kill everone else
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Calvin C
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i think in order to create peace, you will have to win a war, peace will come after the victory.
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joseph b
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So many innocents with guns and bombs trying to kill us.
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m d
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how to answer? I don't really know, it's obvious you were born in 2000 because you do not know of all the murders that Saddam committed long before the US rolled in the first time.
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Sirecoke
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Well the old saying goes:
If you wish peace. be prepared for war.
What that means is, nobody smart will attack a strong enemy. So if your strong you shouldn't be attacked.
Unless your a coward and attack civilians like what happened here in the US
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oldhippypaul
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There’s an old and true, military motto, “Si vis pacem, para bellum” from Flavius Vegetius Renatus circa 375 AD: “If you want peace, prepare for war.”
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senior citizen
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Saddam had lots of tanks and guns, and he used them and WMD's to kill his own innocent people like animals and shove them into mass graves. They didn't deserve to die like that.
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poppy vox
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Peace is just the breather we take between wars.
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Thanatos
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There is a saying that: "through destruction you make pace". The New World Order can`t come - Peace meaning - just like that - like you turn on and off a light switch. Peace, New World Order or just getting things back to "normal" - with no wars but still with people killing and robbing on the streets - can only be done step by step.
The sad part is to make Peace, to make The New World Order, many inocents die. But the Iraq War is not for Peace, is not only for "terrorists" but it is for money (petrol).
Do you know that the Nuclear Bomb was constructed for Peace? -- hope you do know.
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Jon
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Well I America and Britain created peace in Europe using tanks, guns and bombs just a few years ago, or did you forget all about that.
Oh you have selective memory disorder I suppose, So it's not your fault
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Granma Cha-la
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while ever there are enemies of peace then you have to fight for peace......be idealistic but also be real!
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colin h
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i was lead to believe that the terrorist bombs were killing their own people....... wat news do you watch mate.... they kill each other over religion.. do u wana be in my gang
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Ahcho A
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The insurgents are below animal statics.
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Chuckler
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How indeed!!
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Elliot Ness
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By Blowing the sh it out of the bad guy. Peace will come, it will take time. People expect all these miraculous things to happen over night. How long does it take to pass a peice of legislation in the UK. A year, 2, 5, 10. That's about right. How about the states, 5 years, 10, some things they have been arguing about for 15 years. But we expect the Iraqies, a fledgling democracy, to pass legislation in days. Sort out their entire gov't in what....a year. All this admist secretarian violence, assasination attempts of gov't officials, ethnic cleansing, IED's. Come on, be realistic, give them a break.
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oscarsix5
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Peace is not free, it doesn't just happen out of the clear blue. Peace is purchased at the cost of human life. Peace is brought through superior fire power.
Innocent people die in war because cowardly people elect to hide among them. If your fellow countryman or Arab fires at me while hiding behind you then I'm not going to stand there and allow myself to be killed for your sake. If you lack the basic intelligence to get out of the line of fire then you are not innocent, you are stupid!
The Iraqi people are getting themselves out of the live of fire and pointing out to the Americans where the enemy is hiding in great numbers. That is how the Iraq people are purchasing peace!
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fivetoze
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yeah, but animals DONT bomb innocent people on public transport, do they?
and the only way to get peace with tanks and guns is to melt them all down... and flog em to the chinese as scrap metal
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Mary W
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OK, now, of course they killed a lot of people. What about the insurgents and Iraqis and the Afghans that killed our troops, journalists (Daniel Pearl) and a lot of others? What about the 3 soldiers from our Army that were tortured and killed in January 2006? Creating peace is sometimes done with force because our enemies know no other way. You need to do more research before you open your mouth and/or use your computer to ask such a question! All is fair in love and war! And this is WAR!
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Beans?
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Because it was so much better under Saddam????
He killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people
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Dan
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Ummmm, hello...
One of our biggest allies is Japan. That alliance happened right after WW2....
We've been allies with the UK since we declared Independence from them and won.
Also, its not our troops that are killing the innocent people over there... Open your eyes and look at who's planting the roadside bombs, the IED's, killing mass people in market places.... Its not the American & British troops, I can tell you that.... It is the terrorist/insurgents that are doing all the killing...
Our troops are killing the insurgents, end of story....
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Gotta have more explosions!
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I don't think you can, with present tactics.
If an innocent person dies as a result of collateral damage, his friends and family aren't going to think he died for the greater good, would they?
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Kekionga
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I don't think one more innocent Iraqi would be killed if everyone in their country stopped shooting and blowing up American and British forces.
Don't lay that on us. We would have stopped shooting long ago if the terrorists left.
No one deserves to die in war. But who do you think is prolonging the war in Iraq?
g-day!
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Sean C
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Where is everyone getting that the Coalition blatantly killed thousands of innocent people. We didn't go over there and open up on every moving person.
The insurgents, THEY kill anyone and everyone who does not share their beliefs or just to put fear into the public mind soe they too go against the coalition.
We need tanks and guns to kill those who don't want peace. The bad guys, insurgents, al-qaida, they shoot at us, they blow up a hotel, we stop them. You can not negotiate or talk a terrorist down. Give it a try sometime, they'll laugh in your face and then detonate themselves.
do you still think we're the bad guys?
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magnetic_azimuth
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deen,
tanks and guns are used to deter war, that is how guns and tanks make peace. You make war too expensive for the enemy.
Now as to the second part of your question, the assumption was that the iraqi's would set aside their differences that have held them at war for a thousand years and would create a government where individual rights were for all men.
however this is not the way of the people there. They do not want peace as you understand it, they want domination of any one who is not of their sect.
as for the number of people that died over there, in combat anyway, the number was very low.
but I will explain something to you that I'm not sure you will understand, but I will hope that you do. In late Oct 03, while on the saudi boarder, the unit I was with had set up a traffic stop. Vehicles coming along were checked, contraband taken, those transporting were taken away and the vehicles they drove were stacked to be burned when the inspection was over.
about 11pm, a vehicle with a single headlight was coming along the road and when it saw the roadblock lights, (dim lights, like parking lights) the guy sped up and was running at high speed toward the bradley. The bradley used the coaxial gun to put a few rounds over the vehicle but it did not stop. It was then taken out by the coaxial gun about 100 meters from the traffic point.
The facts of the incident were taken to the tribal leader and a ruling was made by them, that the shooting was justifiable, and indeed an accident.
On the boarder of Iraq/saudi, people die. It is a zone of smugglers and traffickers in guns, slaves, drugs, terrorism and other things. The people there live with violence like you can not understand under saddam, or at the hands of their neighbors.
The few colateral damage kills we made were not noticed by anyone except the media who does not report the whole story.
If I told you things I saw, and other veterans did also, it would tear your heart from you.
that whole region lives under a veil of death, and for the first time, the people there have a glimmer of hope, though perhaps fading under the words of our elected officials
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Avondrow
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I think the fundamental error was the assumption that under every dictatorship is a proto-democracy just waiting to get out. The US in particular seemed to genuinely think that you just remove the big bad guy at the top and everyone will just start opening McDonald's and turn into a mini-USA! They seemed surprised to find that with Saddam gone they just had an unholy mess, with the same troops and forces that had done an excellent job militarily really struggling to fill the role of police/ peace keepers!
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jim_n_ruth
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Going into Iraq was a big mistake. Saddam was certainly no good but, he wasn't a massive threat. I find the explanation of "bad intelligence" questionable. Even if that was the case, who is accountable for that fumble, and who is accountable for the enormous losses of innocent Iraqi lives that resulted?
We can not blame the troops for what happened here. They were following orders they believed righteous. As far as those troops who stepped over the line, they were held accountable. I'm just wondering if George Bush will ever be accountable, along with those who supplied the faulty intelligence.
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Happy Murcia
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"War is the pursuit of state policy by other means"
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regerugged
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Defeat the enemy and peace will follow. Examples: Germany, Japan. Don't defeat the enemy and there is not lasting peace. Example: South Korea.
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rotorhead
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Same way we created peace with Germany and Japan.
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Mr. PhD
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You don't create peace with tanks and guns. You create a deterrence with tanks and guns.
We can't win in Iraq because
1. This is a civil war
2. You cannot "win" in the real sense against a terrorist because the nature of terrorism doesn't allow for this. Terrorists are not standing armies - they are one or two people willing to die.
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