I dont know if I'll ever be okay...I gave my baby up for adoption? |
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Why, for parents, an adopted child is different than a natural child? |
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Do you believe that adoptive parents are glamorized and idealized? |
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Birth Mom wants visit w/ 6mon. old adopted son, should we? |
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What is the "right" reason for someone to adopt? Is it a No Win situation for APs here? |
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Can you do some kind of a like, "rent to own" with adoption? |
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Gave up baby 7 years ago, is it okay to ask for pics? |
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Let's put a different spin on it...if you were pregnant? |
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If your boss or best friend was adopting and wanted to keep it closed, etc, how would you respond? |
They wanted a closed adoption, went to catholic charities, lutheran services or whatever.
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Is it ok to spank an adopted child? |
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Rather than adopt, would it be better to take in a young mom who doesn't have any options? |
| I've been to quite a few adoption web sites lately and several them are more anti-adoption than pro-adoption. These sites acknowledge that adoption is right for a select few, but they say it ... |
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Reading all this in the adoption section is scaring me out of adoption? |
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Meant to be yours...??? |
| Recently on my blog an AP mentioned that her adopted child was meant to be with them. That her children, were "her" children before she "knew" them, and before their international ... |
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Abolishing adoption? |
This question is sparked from an earlier question regarding anti-adoption.
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Do you think this right? Is it a valid reason for adoption? |
A couple I know of said they decided to adopt because they were desperate to have a baby girl, they had 3 sons already, I assume they were unable to have any more naturally but I didn't ask. ... |
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Has any other adoptees had this experience growing up? |
| It seems like I'm the only adoptee on here that had the experience I had. My parents adopted me to be charitable (and as a twisted version of "keeping up with the Joneses") I was ... |
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What do you think about single people adopting children? |
| I'm 25 years old and I'm really looking foward to getting married and having a family some day. I thought I had found the man that I was going to spend my life with, but it ended abruptly ... |
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Will my adopted child hate me???????? |
| My fiance and I are two different races. He is white and I am black. We would like to adopt children of any race as long as they need a good loving home. We were thinking adopting a chinese baby ... |
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What do you think causes the bigger trauma to a child? |
| Being adopted, or being physically abused? I know that most adoptees wouldn't have been abused, the reason I'm asking this question is because of some very concerning answers that I read ... |
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Adoptees-Does it annoy you when other adoptees are so bitter and ungrateful? |
| Personally I am really glad I was adopted. I would not have a had any opportunites to succeed and have a good life had I been raised in a Korean orphanage. What my life would have been like had my ... |
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Why do people adopt only to kill the kids?
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seems like i see these stories all the time, and there's two this week!
http://www.ktbs.com/news/Woman-charged-with-beating-adopted-son-to-death-25294/
http://www.kbtx.com/state/headlines/38810732.html
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Independ"ant"
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Another example of how adoption isn't a solution.
Maybe because they are chosen or special children.
Aren't Aps supposed to be better prepared to deal with children since they are supposed to have been prepared for it.
I thought they are being screened and educated like many on here say is so "rigorous" that checking up on the safety of children isn't needed after the adoption is finalized.
Seriously....why can't people that choose to adopt even acknowledge that people that intentionally go out adopt and /or buy kids are even bigger monsters than those that have unplanned unprepared for pregnancies that ended up being abusive. There is an entire set of different factors that play into children murdered by adoptive parents. Premeditation holds a higher criminal sentence for a reason.
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Heather S
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I don't know but it sux because there are so many ppl who cant adopt who would take good care of these kids
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C Wood
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People don't adopt "only to kill the kids".
People adopt for a variety of reasons.
The best reason is they can't have birth children but want children to give their love to and share their lives with.
Some people adopt because their families and society make them think they "should" have children, so they're succumbing to social pressures and expectations of others.
Some people who want to adopt are ready to raise children.
Some people who want to adopt are not ready, and the children suffer from the emotional problems of the adoptive parents. This is what adoption agencies try to estimate in their pre-adoption evaluations. The agencies are not perfect and don't filter out some of the people with anger issues.
cw
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Harriet
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I don't think it's intentional! It's silly to ask that as though it's deliberate. Small children are most often killed by their parents - it's sad but that's just the way it is - angry parents, mentally ill parents, stupid parents can include adoptive parents I guess. Also I think some might have more anger towards the child not being their biological child. Perhaps if they were infertile and yet they resent the child somewhat for not being their own.
Harriet
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Corn is not dog food! No wheat!
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No one wakes up in the morning and thinks, lets go kill the kids we adopted today.
No one adopts kids with plans to kill them.
Things happen. As much as we hate it, parents are HUMAN and make mistakes. They abuse drugs and alchol that change their personalities and reactions. They get stressed, or whatever and situations get out of hand.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S OK!!!
I'm saying crappy parents come in all shapes and sizes. Plenty of people abuse and kill the kids they give birth to.
I'm saying parents that were once adverage/normal, can change into crappy parents.
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Crucio
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Many people are unstable and should not have children adopted or biological. There was an article in my local paper today about a woman and her boyfriend who beat and killed the womans 3 year old son(he was not adopted). Sadly this was after he had been removed for 2 weeks because of allegations of abuse. This boy slipped through the cracks and the same can happen with adoptive parents who shouldn’t be adopting and probably shouldn’t even have children at all. I suppose someone can become a parent whether natural or by adoption and come to realize that parenting is not for them, that they dont have the patients for it.
Every day a child (probably more) is killed by a parent whether adopted or biological parent. It’s a horrible thing because children are innocent. I truly feel sorry for anyone who kills a child because they will have to stand before the almighty God one day.
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NaturalMom
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I have read many of the answers to this question, and I cannot agree with the generally expressed idea that it is no more heinous than someone murdering their natural child, It is far worse, indeed, since people who adopt have either adopted infants, and thereby have said that they are MORE appropriate parents than the ones that were assigend by God, by birth, or, unlike natual parents who don't have to go thru a screening process ( as has been pointed out by PAPs and APs here ad nauseum), they have passed a home study and were deemed by social workers to be better than the natural parents. It is not the same thing at all. And, one adoptee murdered by the people who are supposed to be better than the parents that God assigned is one too many!!!! It is worse, far worse....
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Daisey Duck
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For the same reason bio's kill their kids. Some have or develop mental problems, some just are mean cruel people, and some no one can explain why. It is a sad thing that anyone can harm a child. There are stories like that everyday about bio and adoptive parents who abuse or kill their children. Look at the Casey Anthony case. It sickens me everytime I hear about cases like this.
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monkeykitty83
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Children who are abused or killed by their parents aren't necessarily unwanted, whether adopted or biological. Parents want and even claim to "love" the children they mistreat, so it's not as if all abused biological children were undesired-- or even unplanned-- pregnancies. People adopt to be parents, even if they turn out to be horrible ones. Children who are abused are not necessarily unwanted, or mistakes, so adoption can also create abusive families.
What I think is needed is more rigorous psychological screening of prospective adoptive parents, and more followup support and supervision. These situations are tragic, and everything possible should be done to prevent them.
But asking why parents adopt "only to kill" their children is pretty much along the lines of why they give birth only to kill them-- messed up or cruel people do messed up or cruel things, but it doesn't mean they have no desire to be parents.
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minimouse68
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Just a little perspective.....lots of natural parents kill their kids too. Child abuse is not confined to just adoptive families no more than it is confined to natural families.
*ADDS*
Wow thumbs down for stating a simple verifiable fact! Lol....and they say ostriches are dumb!! Child abuse isnt an adoption issue, its a humanity issue!
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Rowan
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wow..i cant even read theose stories, they make me cry. But, as i am adopted, and lived to adulthood, you can rest assured that not all APs are complete monsters. Believe it or not, they are human..most of them anyway.
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Heather B
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Because the system has failed the kids. Here's somemore adopted abuse case files:
http://www.adopted-abused.com/
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cmc
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Bio parents also kill their kids - these people are just sick and crazy. There is no logical explanation for this. It is incredibly sad that anyone would harm a child.
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Woah...life is confusing!
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There is a very simple answer to this...
They are sick, twisted people, obviously suffer from psychosis and/or other mental illnesses, and have a hidden motive to hurt others.
Maybe they didn't plan on beating the children; but these adults should have gotten help, went to counseling...done something.
This is ridiculous.
And I somehow can NOT believe that NO ONE else knew about the abuse. Where are the social workers looking after adopted kids? They didn't notice anything was wrong?
Terrible.
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Opedial
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Why do people deliver children biologically then kill them. This is not about adoption, this is about evil people doing evil things.
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sizesmith
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It's hard to fathom how anyone could ever hurt a child. I adopted my son to love him, and I gave birth to my oldest because I love him.
I would give my own life to protect either of my children, and quite frankly, to protect any child.
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aloha.girl59
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Yeah, you're right. *All* APs adopt ONLY to kill the kids. Wow. Generalize much?
I adopted my son 5-1/2 years ago. He's alive and I have no plans to hurt him, let alone kill him. I don't even spank him when he's naughty!
Now crawl back under your bridge and let us go about our day.
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Randy B
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Its the same reason why people have biological kids only to kill them later on. I see stories like those all the time as well.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090207/BC_911_beheading_090207/20090207?hub=BritishColumbia
http://www.richmondregister.com/homepage/local_story_157223350.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7612/parents_who_murder_their_children.html
http://www.courttv.com/trials/smith/020607_background_ctv.html
I really don't think the issue can be limited to adoptive parents and it's unfair and irresponsible to do so.
EDIT: BLW_KAM: Thanks for finding the stats. I was a bit surprised by the low figures for adoptive parents and I guess it speaks volumes for the screening process we have to go through. It's also interesting to see already how some people hide behind their own stats when they work for them but run from them when they expose their faulty logic.
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♥♥Rita♥♥
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"why do people abuse/murder children.....at all?"
Whether the child next door, the child in the park, the adopted child or the biological born child.....why are children abused/murdered at all.
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Not Adopted
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BLW wrote (to show APs are less abusive):
"Of 642,013 cases of parental abuse:
91.5% were perpetrated by biological parents
4.2% were perpetrated by step parents
3.6% were perpetrated by an unknown parental type
.7% were perpetrated by adoptive parents"
This is an erroneous use of statistics. All this figure does is take the total and break down each population's piece of the total of ALL cases of abuse. If you changed the population you would also get misleading figures.
For example, if you broke down the population by race, the largest racial group in the US would appear to have the highest percentage of abuse, and the smallest racial group would have the lowest percentage. This would tell you NOTHING about whether one race is more or less abusive. It would only reflect the fact that they are the majority race, therefore they show up as a bigger piece of the pie.
These figures give no insight on which types of households are more or less abusive.
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BLW_KAM
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Because mental illness, instability, anger and frustration do not discriminate. There are some people who shouldn't be parents, adoptive or not.
Here are 2006 statistics on perpetrators of child abuse based on CPS reports complied by the US Department of Health & Human Services:
Of 642,013 cases of parental abuse:
91.5% were perpetrated by biological parents
4.2% were perpetrated by step parents
3.6% were perpetrated by an unknown parental type
.7% were perpetrated by adoptive parents
ETA III: As mentioned by others the above stats can't stand alone. They need to be applied to the population of biological and adoptive households/children to make any sense. The two following ETAs are based on US Census figures.
ETA: Based on 42,500,000 households with children in the US, 4% of these with adopted children, the incidents of abuse in biological families is 1.44% of households, while in adoptive families it's .25% households for a ratio of over 5 to 1.
ETA II: If we take Robin's numbers and look at children (and not households) under the age of 18, we come up with stats that look like this: The incident rate for abuse by a biological parent was .94%, while the figure for adoptive parent abuse was .26%, a ratio of 3.6 to 1.
(Adopted children <18 = 2.5% of all children under 18.
1,600,000 adopted children < 18 /2.5% = 64,000,000 children in total <18
100 - 2.5% = 97.5% of children <18 are biological
97.5% of 64,000,000 is 62,400,000 biological children
587,443 CPS incidents of abuse by biological parents / 62,400,0000 biologic children = .94% incident rate.
4,205 CPS incidents of abuse by adoptive parents/1,600,000 adopted children = .26% incident rate)
I don't think I've ever worked this hard to answer a question. But I'm passionate about this. Depending on how you look at it, 2006 stats show adoptive parents were either 5 times or 3.6 times less likely to be the CPS abuser of record than biologic parents.
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Robin
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The stat's posted only tell part of the story and are misleading.
According to the US Census, adopted children under age 18 represent only 2.5% of the total number of children living in households. So with abuse cases of .7% of the total reported to CPS multiplied by the total population of kids under 18 reported on the US Census at 2,058,915 = 585,999 abused adoptees or 28.5% of population of adoptees under 18.
http://www.adopting.org/uni/frame.php?url=http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/censr-6.pdf
In any case, you can't take information from just one source to come to a conclusion. Often when a parent kills a child, it is the first KNOWN act of violence.
Additionally, I find it amazingly difficult to believe that step parent abuse represents only 4.2% of the perpetrators in child abuse cases reported to the CPS. According to many sources, step parents are far more likely to cause harm to their step children than biological parents.
Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2005 --
* 31% were killed by fathers
* 29% were killed by mothers
* 23% were killed by male acquaintances
* 7% were killed by other relatives
* 3% were killed by strangers
(includes parents, step-parents, boyfriends, girlfriends, ex-spouses)
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/intimate/definitions.htm
"Preschoolers in Hamilton, Ontario, living with one biological and one stepparent in 1983 were 40 times more likely to be victims of child abuse as like-aged children living with two biological parents. Children two years and younger are seventy to a hundred times more likely to be killed at the hands of stepparents than at the hands of biological parents" Daly, M. and Wilson, M. (1987)
http://www.amfor.net/KillerAdopters/
Just a few more numbers to throw into the mix. As an adoptee who grew up with physical & emotional abuse, I can't understand why anyone goes to the trouble & expense of adopting and then abuses their child. But I lived it. Adoption is not a guarantee that a child will end up in a better home.
ETA: Indian Vision-I'm with you. As a mom & now proud Ya Ya to 3 grand kids I can't understand abuse AT ALL when I look at those adorable faces! I get frustration, exhaustion, being overwhelmed, etc. But don't get hurting kids - adopted or bio.
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Kazi
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Why do people give birth only to kill their kids?
Your question is moot. Giving birth or adopting does not make a person suddenly loving and decent.
The sad truth is, some people are monsters.
ETA: Do factors really matter? Factors seem to lead to a premise that abuse can absolved because of this or that. People are responsible for their own actions. Abusers are monsters in my eyes, regardless of whether they gave birth or adopted. IMO, factors should only be investigated in terms of helping to develop safeguards for other children, but should never be used as any kind of "get out of jail free card."
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Just a Mom
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The majority of us don't adopt to kill our kids.
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Camille
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i don't know but its for people like that i think they should bring back the death penalty for. Anyone that can hurt a helpless child or animal deserves to get back exactly what they gave out so they know how the poor child/animal felt
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brit23
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monsters
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Question Queen
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Those are some very sad events. My friend was adopted, & she could've gotten killed because of the abuse she went through.
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sassylashes
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Its horrible I can't even read about kid injury stories or it bothers me for days. Children should be cherished and loved they grow up too fast.sometimes the torture I have heard about is just so unreal, i think all those people that hurt and kill and mutilate children should get the death penalty.
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♥♥Mum To Superkids♥♥
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1) They have unrealistic expectations and ideas about adoption.
2) They have limited parenting and life skills.
3) They have not researched and educated themselves on adoption.
4) They have unresolved issues that go deeper than just wanting a child to raise.
There needs to be much more comprehensive screening of adoptive parents, and especially follow up checks. It's not good enough to just drop a child off in a family never to be heard of again. Human error happens far too much lately.
ETA: Just to clarify, yes, as many children are killed by their natural parents as by adoptive parents and every child's death is a tragedy. But in cases of adoption there has already been intervention to remove the child from one family and place it into another. For a child to be placed into a family that they weren't originally born into, only to be murdered, is a horrific mistake.
I'm NOT saying it's worse for an adopted child to be killed, just that the system has seriously broken down in these cases.
ETA2: I also agree with Kazi's point. No reason is an excuse for taking a child's life, nor for abuse. I too loathe child abuse of any kind and it needs to be stopped. Education and assistance only go so far, we need to protect the rights of the innocent.
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KattE M
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well people mostly adopt cause they can't have kids. but maybe they become angry because that child isn't theirs and take it out on the kid.
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