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 Abolishing adoption?
This question is sparked from an earlier question regarding anti-adoption.

I am curious how many people here are not interested in adoption reform and would actually prefer adoption to be ...


 Do you think this right? Is it a valid reason for adoption?
A couple I know of said they decided to adopt because they were desperate to have a baby girl, they had 3 sons already, I assume they were unable to have any more naturally but I didn't ask.
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 Has any other adoptees had this experience growing up?
It seems like I'm the only adoptee on here that had the experience I had. My parents adopted me to be charitable (and as a twisted version of "keeping up with the Joneses") I was ...


 What do you think about single people adopting children?
I'm 25 years old and I'm really looking foward to getting married and having a family some day. I thought I had found the man that I was going to spend my life with, but it ended abruptly ...


 Will my adopted child hate me????????
My fiance and I are two different races. He is white and I am black. We would like to adopt children of any race as long as they need a good loving home. We were thinking adopting a chinese baby ...


 What do you think causes the bigger trauma to a child?
Being adopted, or being physically abused? I know that most adoptees wouldn't have been abused, the reason I'm asking this question is because of some very concerning answers that I read ...


 Adoptees-Does it annoy you when other adoptees are so bitter and ungrateful?
Personally I am really glad I was adopted. I would not have a had any opportunites to succeed and have a good life had I been raised in a Korean orphanage. What my life would have been like had my ...


 Knowing what you know now..would you choose to be raised by your bio parents or adoptive parents?
Some adoptees have lots of info some none at all...if you could rewind time who would you choose to raise you?
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 You must be kidding, do you think you can measure up?
how can adopters really believe that their kid's want to be with them instad of the familes god intended for them?

serioiusly. how can you LIVE with yourself for taking someones kid ...


 I want to adopt, my family is against it?
my husband and i have talked about adopting a child. when i told the family this, they got really defensive about it and told us it was a bad idea. They think if you are able to have a child you ...


 I want to adopt my friend's daughter?
About 3 months ago my husband and I asked our friend and her daughter to move in with us. She is 18 and a full time student. Her daughter is a 16 month old doll who we both absolutely adore. At first ...


 Since adoptive kids look at their AP differently, should i adjust my will?
I was going to split everything up 50 50 but after reading some of you guys post i'm thinking why should i split everything up and take half away from my biological kid when adoptive children ...


 Is it a minority of adoptees that feel this adoption pain?
Hello, I am trying to understand this because I have never met an unhappy adoptee before. Do you all think that most adoptees sail through life appreciating what they have been given without this ...


 When i tarn 19 i want to adop. a baby, but my parents say "NO"! what should i do???
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 Why are so many people against adoption?
just wondering...
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we were asked at school if we would adopt n most people said no. i was shocked....


 How is adoption NOT buying a child?
Besides from foster care.

I've seen it said many times that people who adopt are not "buying" a child.

But you pay somebody 10 thousand dollars, they give you a ...


 Were you proud of being adopted or ashamed?
As a kid.

That question about being called names really got me thinking about how adoptees have such vastly different experiences growing up.

I was always very proud and told I ...


 So, what are your feelings on adoption?
This is a small experiment of mine, just to find out what people are and aren't willing to say when anonymity is the face, and where there is no accountability.
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 IF you have an adoptee child do some remarks here scare you to death?
I would be so fearful that my child would resent me. Shouldn't we teach children to be respectful?
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Hello out there, I AM talking about little children. If you ...


 Why is it so hard for a-parents to understand that adoptee's can love t?
what is up with adoptive parents being all disrespectful towards the mothers who gave birth to us?! What i'm suppose to forget where i came from, just because i'm adopted? Why is there a ...



PhilM
Do you believe that adoptive parents are glamorized and idealized?
I'm not saying they're not wonderful people. I know mine were. But to read most of the posts on this site, you would think they were Madonna incarnate. (Or at least Angelina Jolie incarnate.) Every day it seems we read another question lauding someone's adoptive parents as the best people in the world (or adoptive parents in general). Aren't adoptive parents merely human, imperfect with all the flaws that we all have?
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I know, I know... But it's Saturday morning, and I always revert to little kid mode watching cartoons on Saturday morning... ;)



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LaraSue
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Oh please, I realize your question is in response to Ollie's question on birth mothers, you know better.
Of course adoptive parents are human, imperfect and flawed.

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geli
yes, of course

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amy lou
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Hey phil! My adoptive parents are wonder full people, they are wonder full to me. They may not be wonder full to everyone, and some might have negative things to say about adoptive parents, but I disagree in the negativity. I do think that Adoptive parents are people just like you and me. They have flaws, and yes they are imperfect. That's life and life isn't perfect with perfect people. I don't think adoptive parents should be seen as a "lifeline" for the adoptee either. When i chose to have my child, i was not being her "lifeline", i was becoming her mother. I personally think it is the same with the adoptive parents. People like madonna and angelina, seem to get this whole "hero" brand on them, and I think it is wrong.

Giving a child a loving home is all that matters.

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Bri
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I look up to those people, so yes, I believe so. Those people are the ones who saved a homeless baby and gave it a new home. They took care of it, made it one of their family, and loved it. I hope someday I could adopt a child too, so I look up to those parents who were kind enough to accept another child.

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Rhinoserious
Normal adoptive parents get their joy with the opportunity that that child is and worry about what they could do to enhance the child's potential. I don't see any glamor in that. It's a job all parents do until the child is about eighteen. That's the trick even if they are actors.

Here's an unlikely news item that may make it to some magazine; Madonna's adoptive child's poo is not the same texture as Angelina's child. No offense to the children or the actors.

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Rowan
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HA! to some people, adoptive parents are baby snatchers.

They are human, just like everyone else. There are some bad ones, and some good ones.

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Scott M
They are

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theshyfreak
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i would say glamorized. i know adopted parent from experiance and they were the rudest, and crulest to those kids. i hated those people. they are not all as good as we wpuld like to think.

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sunny
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Canonized.

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myst1998
LOLOLOLOLOLOL...

LOVE it Phil and yes, I do... you only have to see some of the answers regarding "should I place my child" or "should I adopt" and they are seen as saviours of the universe almost.

Thanks.

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anastasia beaverhausen-the real1
yes.

someone was just preaching to me about how great my parents were to "save" me.

people have no idea.

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Minnimouse
A big, fat, giant, mega, huge, massive, monstrous, ground shaking YES!!

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MamaKate
Personally, I think they are human - just like the rest of us.

I think it is sometimes "glamorized" by certain types of people from the following categories:

*Agencies and facilitators who profit from PAPs. (Notice the latest foster care adoption PSAs mention that "You don't have to be perfect to be a good parent.")

*PAPs and APs with issues such as savior complex, narcissism, self-esteem issues, etc.

*Adoptees who may or may not have been "saved" by adoption but believe they were.

* First Parents who believe that they are "less than" their child's APs for whatever reason.

* On more occasions than not, the media presents an "idealized" view of APs, although this is not always the case. (Just check out a few Disney movies!)

* The general public who have had no personal experience with adoption, who have only been presented with the "rainbow, pool & pony" stories and have never really had more than a passing thought about what adoption really is. (In other words, those who are ignorant about adoption.)

I do think I see a slight change in the general perception of adoption just in the last 10 years. While there has been a "trendiness" assigned to adoption as of late, there has also been a "backlash" of sorts (because of people like the Brangelina and Madonna) and the sheer number of people in the US who are effected by adoption.

The latest numbers I've seen claim that around 60% of Americans have some direct tie to an adoptive situation so I think it is more of a reality for people then it was, say 20 or 40 years ago. When people are living with it, the complexities are a bit more apparent to the general public because more people are talking about it as it has become such a common ("normal") occurrence.

I think it definitely depends on who you talk to too! ;)

PS Congrats on being so in touch with your inner child! It is a healthy thing to do every now and then. I hope you didn't miss any of the good toons being on here! LOL! :D

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icehockeymom7
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I'm an adoptive mom and there is nothing I hate more than someone telling me "Oh what a wonderful thing you have done" or "isn't she just a lucky little girl" That crap makes me want to vomit. I cannot STAND people trying to make adoptive parents into some kind of heroes "saving poor orphan children" Yuck. We are parents, we love our kids. Period. And to say we are wonderful for loving our kids is to insinuate that our kids are not worth loving. That is bull and I absolutely cannot stand it.

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Serenity71
I find people can be very ignorant, and love to say these things in front of our kids like "You're so wonderful to take in these kids...its a good thing you did." Then they turn their eyes on my eldest daughter and say things like "Isn't your mum a good mum..." In a tone that sounds so fake to me.

I walk away now before it gets to that, I don't want some aquantace planting things in her head that aren't what we believe.

Most of the time people want to know about the birth mother! Thye will say loudly what a self sacrificing lady she must be. I think she'd laugh to hear that, it wasn't easy to make the choice, but at least she knows herself well enough to know how much she can cope with. And they try to pry for details. (gossip mongerlers! My kids aren't subject to their need for gossip.)

A lot of Australians don't understand adoption very well...they think its done like it is on the US, because of gossip magazines. And just think its the same as fostering. Most of the time kids are fostered. Adoption these days is in the minority.

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Independ"ant"
Yep.

When they return children.....its always the childs fault somehow.

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Temperance
"adoptive parents are saints..."

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monkeykitty83
As I said in the other question too, yes.

In reality some adoptive parents are great, and some are horrible. We're all just human, and no one belongs on a pedestal.

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gypsywinter
Yes...

Just recently at my work place, one of my co-workers and his wife adopted a 2 yr old girl. 'Mom' and 'Dad' brought their 'new addition' to work one day...to parade her around the company, showing her off like a newly bought prized possession. The 'mom' was carrying her and actually was carrying the little girl like a sack of potatoes. Nobody actually ooooed and ahhhhhed over the little girl, rather I saw looks of questioning on some of my co-workers faces, as they ogled this child. What I did hear was the massive sound directly to the new 'mom' and 'dad', how Great and Special they were to have adopted this child born of a mother who didn't want her. What 'special' people they were for taking on another's 'responsibility'. After they left our office..one of my co-worker's again would say...'It really takes some really special people to adopt''. Idealized...most definitely YES! BTW it would be my male co-worker, the adoptive dad, who I believe noticed how his wife was carrying the little girl and carried her himself. He did not carry her like a 'sack of potatoes' and he seemed genuinely caring. I cannot say that about the new adoptive mother..she had this look on her face of 'inconvenience'. They also brought their own older bio son. And some of my co-workers remarked about the 'resemblance' between the bio-son and the adopted little girl! HUH? All I could do was shake my head...and I felt immense sadness for the little girl. I wondered then is this the way my child was treated..was she paraded as an infant, was she compared to the bio-daughter of her aparents?

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Helena B
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hellz2dayeah. they saved us street urchins. riiiight.

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kitta
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The strangest example of this glamorization/contradiction was when a woman I knew as a surrendering mother adopted a girl from foster care.

This mother had surrendered a son when she was 17 years old. She had been forced by her parents. Later on, after she graduated from college and married, she had another son. Then she and her husband became foster parents to a school age child. Five years later, DHS terminated the natural parents' rights and told my friend that she could adopt the little girl or the child would have to go to another family.

My friend adopted the little girl. So, then my friend was subjected to the situation of being told she was a 'saint' for adopting and a "trashy" bmom.

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Mei-Ling
Not necessarily.

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Opedial
I don't think we are glamorized, but I do think people think of us as: (and I quote from people who found out I adopted)

Saints
Saviours
Courageous
Wonderful
Doing God's Will
So on and So forth
(of course I may think I am wonderful, but that is not for having adopted!!!)

What I find is that they idealize adoption and thus adoptive parents as doing "good" in the world and taking on an incredible burden. Not only is this not true, but it then puts a label on our children as something to be burdened by.

So I think the idealization comes from media, but also from misinformation about adoption, especially adoption from foster care. And I kid you not, it is each and every day where someone applaud's our decision to adopt as the brave souls we are. So yes is my answer to your question.

I think I come here part in parcel not only to learn, but also to give my head a shake if these words ever start to ingrain in my brain.

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*jace*
everyone has flaws and my friend's adoptive parents suck.

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SJM
Yep.

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Laurel J
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Heck yeah they're glamorized! A'parents are selfless ***-kicking orphan-rescuing superheroes!

No matter how many of them kill their adoptees, or take children to whom they were never entitled, the media facade never cracks. People who adopt are wonderful wonderful wonderful. Because raising someone else's kid as your own is alllll give. They get nothing in return. Not love, not a family, not nothin'--or so one might be led to believe if the media represented one's only exposure to adoption.

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Not Adopted
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Yes, they are usually portrayed as perfect people seeking to "build" their family or "rescue" an orphan.

I think it's interesting that every media story about adoption focuses almost exclusively on the adoptive parents. They show the baby coming into the perfect house making the perfect couple's life complete.

When I watch these stories I'm always wondering where the baby came from. Did it drop out of the sky? Who is the mother? Who is the father? Who are the grandparents? Who else in the world is related to this baby? Guess none of that matters once the baby has fulfilled its role of making the APs life complete.

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BOTZ
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I spent most of my life listening to my abusers (adoptive parents) being lauded, praised, adored, admired, etc... because they had adopted.

I was often told how wonderful they are and expected to agree instantly and eagerly. I was often told how lucky (or blessed, or fortunate, or "favored from on high") I was because I had the a-parents I did.

So, with that history, I'd have to say: Yes.

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I Love A Child With Autism!!!
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Yep, I am an adoptive parent and I hear that same bull crap all the time. I am told constantly how wonderful it is to take in an orphan (not my words but how it has been put to me time and time again). I am praised in all different directions, which I quickly try to squelch with the fact that they have brought more joy to our lives than we can ever repay to them. Then I get the funny looks...like why don't I expect them to be thankful for the rest of their days, why am I thankful for them? Then it usually goes back and forth for a while until I turn blue from holding my breath waiting for a realistic thought to enter into their heads.

On the flip side, I am very much human and I have made my fair share of mistakes in my own life, and how dare I say it, but in parenting too! There I said it, I have made mistakes with someone else's children...and I am sure in their lifetime I will indeed make more. This however is when everything changes and I become the devil for not being able to live up to the personification of the perfect parent. Then I am just no god damned good.

You can"t win no matter who you are or where you fit into the adoption spectrum. I myself try to not judge othesr or myself too harshly and realize that we are all human and make mistakes now and then. I hope others can overlook my flaws as I overlook theirs. I idolize no one nor do I condemn them.

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Flying Monkey #073177
For the most part yes. They are seen as saviours who are doing us some huge favour. Just look at how often we are told to be glad we weren't aborted! Our natural mothers are women who wanted to murder us but our adopters come swooping in to save us. With our nmoms we are told we would have been subjected to living in a crack shack while we were beaten and forced to scavenge for food while our amom provided us with the stability, love and nurturing our nmom couldn't.

All of that is hogwash! My nmom successfully raised my sister who is only 18 months younger than I am, I was not destined for a life of squalor. My amom was a great mother and person but that doesn't mean my nmom wasn't as well.

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cruzgirlz3
Yes on them too. Adoptive parents are thanked for rescuing all of us poor, poor adoptees. On this site you are almost forced to glamorize them because people assume you must have gotten a bad batch if you are a searching adoptee. It gets tiring to keep repeating that searching is not about dissatisfaction with adoptive parents.

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